You know, it's interesting. I said years back that young people were drinking themselves senseless, spewing up their souls on the pavements of our cities, bankrupting the NHS, and abusing medical staff, as they do it, yet so many folks on here shouted me down, told me it wasn't happening, called me a Daily Mail reader, etc. etc.....but suddenly, the word 'chav' gets stuck in front and that makes it all credible, permissable to mention....?

Well, I was talking about young people from ALL backgrounds, rich and poor. This is NOT a class thing, it's a **culture** thing. You'll see as much awful behaviour from the aristocratic kids as you will on a council estate...and all the other tribes inbetween.

And it's also interesting that so many in here are happy to use the word chav in a derogatory sense, yet it's a Romany word....So tell me, how offended would some folks be if I used the term 'pikey' to describe Gypsy folk who dress in a very common manner, who act up, drink up and generally flaunt their wealth for all to see? Did any of you watch Big Fat Gypsy Wedding? If not, google it...then make the same accusations that you are making about 'chavs'.....except of course, you won't, because none of you would DARE to be unkind to the gypsy folks, whilst anyone else seems to be easy prey, right?

Instantly, I'd be called 'racist' if I called a group of young gypsy people 'chavs' ....and yet here you all are, going on about 'chavs' having large families and this and that...

Well, just the other day I was talking to a young man in my bank...nice lad he is. He works there, just been promoted too. We got talking about Torquay, and I asked him how long he'd been down here. He told me his family had moved down here when he was around 2 years old...I guess that would take us back to the 80s...first to Plymouth, then to Torquay. They were originally from Liverpool. He's one of 12 children, and he loves his brothers (7) and his sisters (4) very much. He said it's great when they all get together..and just the other day they all traipsed back up to Liverpool for his Gran and Grandad's 50th wedding anniversary. There were MASSES of them....but he loves it, as they all have such a great time when they're together and are always there for each other.

My granny was one of 11. Many were back then. Some still want big families, many, many pay for them themselves. Those who don't aren't being good when they expect others to pay, I admit...but let's get this straight, because the other day I watched a programme about the problems they're having oop north, where many immigrant families require council housing. They have big families, ever expanding ones, and the council are quite literally running out of places to put them, so they're trying to swap houses around. Those with families who've now grown up and moved on getting swapped over with those families who are just starting out.

So, does that make them 'chavs' too? And if so, are you going to call them 'paki chavs' next? Are you going to start commenting on how many children they have? I mean, come on, let's throw the insults where they should be thrown, right? You can't have one insult for one part of society, without stretching that out to another...right?   So, if you're saying that anyone who lives in a council house and has a big family, is a 'chav' that must, by definition also make them 'chavs'...Right?

No, you'd all wither up with rage before saying that, yet, by your own definitions above that's exactly what you *are* saying, or so it seems to me.

Hey, maybe you're all secret Daily Mail readers... ;0)   

Hypocrisy is a strange thing.....