I'm sorry Doug, but you don't seem to be understanding the point of what I'm saying. Here it is again:

Given that the Republicans are willing to tell massive, obvious lies to try to do anything possible to hurt their political opponents and to distract everyone from the real issues, why would we not believe they are willing to do other things to win at all costs? Unless you can justify the Republican lie machine with supporting evidence, anything anyone chooses to believe about the nefariousness of the GOP is unsurprising.

I don't really care about Saul's accusations. My feeling is that there is not enough evidence to prove it, but circumstantial evidence enough to give it serious thought, and plenty of evidence that you (as in you, personally, if you ever give any money to or vote for any of the liars) are responsible for any number of equally reprehensible actions. Once someone is over the line, it's impossible to tell how far over the line they are or are willing to go.

And death panels, socialism, birthers, swift boaters, corporate taxes and all the rest are lies, are over the line, and haven't been supported by any evidence whatsoever, circumstantial or otherwise.

Please stop trying to distract the conversation with Saul's accusations. Why do you believe the things I listed above? My question was: Are you really that stupid, or do you really have no honor? I suppose a third possibility is that all the lies are really true, but with no supporting evidence, it's hard to take that one seriously.

How can you live with yourself, supporting people who do this stuff?

Lastly, if you really believe the Democrats do anything like this as a matter of top-level policy, you need to supply some examples. Is there anything at all of the scope of the the birthers, the death panels, the socialism, or the 24-7 hate talk that you can point to?