... and another point I made in another thread [or maybe it was earlier in this one?] re the famous naval mutinies in late C18 at Spithead and The Nore. I pasted a bit from Wiki pointing out that they were less real *mutinies* than what we would now regard as *strikes* against certain aspects of the conditions of the service at the time: and I added that it was significant that the use of flogging of crews and caning of midshipmen & ships' boys did not form any sort of issue, being apparently accepted as just a sort of natural nautical phenomenon by the seamen of the time!

So most school pupils until 20-odd years ago. Since when, many will consider school discipline to have deteriorated and teaching to have become an unattractive profession to many, like my friends' daughter. Whether post hoc ergo propter hoc {'cause & effect'}, or whether both phenomena are factors of other underlying societal shifts may be a matter for dispute; but it will be obvious what my opinion is.

~M~