The point I'm trying to make is that things are nowhere near as clear-cut as some folks here are trying to make them seem. Lots of folks are just popping off with opinions based on their own prejudices and a distinct lack of any actual knowledge. I'm merely trying to supply some of that knowledge, or at least show that there is INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION to justify some of the assumptions that they are making.

The link is to the "60 Minutes" web site, whereby clicking on the appropriate buttons allows one to listen to and watch the interviews again. I tried them and they worked fine for me.

Go to the link. Click on one of the three photos on the right side of the page. This will take you to another page. Scroll down a small amount to a photo on the left. Under that photo, click on "Play CBS Video." Wait for a few seconds and the interview begins.

Don Firth