Derek , Don't be a luddite. Ebay is an incredible vehicle for buying and selling. Oh and I do understand Luddism, my Factory was built in the 1880's to keep out the Luddites and the Chartists and is still known locally as "Rowleys Gaol". There are no windows in the walls only in the roof making the work-space a wonderful light environment. The original land-owner was Hon.Rev. Augustus Byron the father of Ada Loveless the First Computer Programmer and the brains behind Babbidge