Jack, I endeavor to make my discussion points civilly and clearly. If someone insists on not addressing the points I'm trying to make, but feels he can refute or neutralize what I have said by calling me an "asshole," well, I don't think it is ME who is rendering the disussion irrational.

In live meetings of, say, the City Council, people who indulge in this kind of "debate" are usually ejected from the meeting.

Don Firth