I don't agree with Ron Paul about everything, Bobert. I think his apocalyptic ideas about "socialism" are wacky. But I do agree with him on foreign policy. And I think he's an honest man.

I agree with Kucinich about pretty much everything. And I think he's an honest man.

But hey, Bill, I think you're right that they wouldn't do well in office, they'd be blocked and crippled at every turn by the system all around them...but it's a moot point, because there's little or no chance they will ever BE in office! ;-) The big party machines and their invisible corporate backers certainly would not let that happen. So they will continue to serve as point men, as you said.

Any candidate who actually does get to the Oval Office will, in my opinion, already have been bought out and made subservient to the imperial machine and the corporates, otherwise he or she would never get the backing to be elected. It doesn't matter what they say while they're campaigning. That's just the sales pitch. Wait till they get there, then watch what they do, and the hollowness of the sales pitch will soon be revealed. And the point men like Kucinich and Paul will point it out, and the machine will roll on.