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Thread #140399   Message #3241969
Posted By: Jim Carroll
20-Oct-11 - 12:20 PM
Thread Name: BS: Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Palestine
Smoke and mirrors Mike - if I had put forward my view as like-with- like you might have a point - I didn't and you haven't.
Other than that, everything - like Keith's 'cultural implant' remains entirely in your vicious (and apparently extremely defensive) imagination.
Keith's ongoing defence by denial is little different to those who would explain away, the holocaust. The numbers are certainly incomparable but the continuing denial of the part played by the Israelis in a massacre that took the lives of up to 3,500 refugees is to excuse a major crime against humanity. By claiming it is any less of an atrocity by counting the dead, or to attempt to lessen the blame by reducing the guilt of the war criminals to "a failure to stop it from happening" is to take a similar line to those who would deny the holocaust - it is to absolve war criminals from their crime (in the case of Sabra and Shatila, up to 3,500).
Keith chooses to support his denial by undermining the journal I put up, choosing (wisely from his point of view) to ignore the many other reports which give the massacres as "Israeli facilitated" (isn't that what they all do) and in some case participated in. Not holocaust standards, but the denial of these and the many other killings is certainly reminiscent of David Irvine and his intellectual thugs.
At first I naively suspected that your blessing for Keith's openly racist statement, (which we have now apparently established was his own twisted summing up of Pakistani culture = racism plus lying) was an attempt to help a very lame dog over a very high stile - until your own breathtakingly stupid display of racism suggesting that it was ok to express racist stereotypes about Pakistanis, but not Jews - hypocrisy at best, but to my mind, just plain old-fashioned racism garnished with double standards.
As far as my having received no support on this thread; I think none of us can claim that - Don Wise has lived up to his name - we have all pretty well disgraced ourselves in taking a serious thread and turning it into a slanging match fiasco - shame on us all.
Jim Carroll