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Thread #140399   Message #3242973
Posted By: Jim Carroll
22-Oct-11 - 08:40 AM
Thread Name: BS: Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Palestine
Thank you Don and McGrath.
Nowhere have I questioned the right of the State Israel to exist - I have questioned the statement of others that Palestine should not be granted statehood, a line being peddled by Israel (I listened to Benjamin Netanyahu's UN speech describing the Palestinians as deadly "crocodiles") and backed up only by an undemocratic and bullying US veto
My point remains that if one is deserving of statehood, both are, and distorting that to mean the opposite seems par for the course for one whose arguments (where he has bothered to put them) have sunk to the level of facile and (had they come from anybody else) extremely hurtful.
As a pacifist I am appalled that terrorism, massacres of civilians, ghettoisation, evictions to make room for the invaders, destructions of homes, daily persecution and humiliation, attempts to starve into submission..... should be resorted to, but as McGrath's link made perfectly clear, the blame for some of the violence lies on both sides of the conflict, the only difference being that Israel has a well-armed, well trained powerful force at their disposal to quash a poorly equipped bunch of cowboys with crude equipment and virtually no training.
As far as I am concerned the only way the Palestinian problem will be solved is by debate and co-operation on equal terms - the only alternative I can see is being crushed into submission by force of arms an political and economic bullying, which seems to be the option the Israelis (with the support of the US) have opted for.   
Hiding behind worries of "what Isreal might become" doesn't begin to address the question, and certainly nor does ignoring the atrocities taking place on a massive scale and writing of criticism of same as "anti-Semitism and Jew-baiting.
I have asked on a number of occasions for examples of my criticising anybody other than the Israeli administration for what is happening in Palestine; once again, have you examples of my doing anything but this and if not, is describing some of the actions of the Israeli Government as 'crimes against humanity "anti-Semitic Jew baiting"
Jim Carroll