Read my lips. No-one is saying (well, no-one I have heard) "Folk good, the rest bad". What they are saying is "Folk is folk, other stuff is not folk".

Or, to put it another way, nothing is traditional until it becomes so.

Incidentally, anyone who says that 1954 definition folk music (even on the narrowest interpretation of the definition) had ceased to exist by 1960 is simply wrong - the Brazil family were discovered some time later and were still singing together as a community until at least 1977 and for all I know still are. "Folk singers" within narrow version of the meaning may by then have been scarce, but still existed.

Even if "Folk singers" are extinct (I don't think they necessarily are, if one takes a broad view of "community" and onward passage as referred to in the 1954 definition) there is clearly an overlap between "folk song singers" and "folk singers" in the time line. I am hoping that a traveller (to all appearances the archetypal Romany Rai) will come to the Lower Stoke Winter sings on November 13th - he said he would try to remember some of the old songs that he learned from his uncle and his uncle learned from his uncle before.

And with all due respect, Al, when you say "I don't think anyone would resent the traddies enjoying their own enclaves" that appears to be precisely what Lizzie does wish. She apparently wishes it to be compulsory for "traddies" to listen to and be MADE to enjoy contemporary songs - by violence if necessary, if you think that "violence" is an intrinsic part of an occupation by force.