The '54 definition is relevant to the thread because it's the single weapon of choice used to discredit the singer songwriter

Seeing as the original disagreements seem to have gone away I am happy to discuss the 54 definition on here. I was 1 in 1954 BTW :-)

Who uses it to discredit whom? I am not saying it doesn't happen - Just I have never in my 30-odd years of folk clubs come across anyone saying 'You can't sing that coz it's not 54'. Examples would be good.

Nearest I had was going into a folk club in Bedford, wrapped ip to the nose in a green Kagoulle because it was pissing down outside, and being told "You can't come in here like that - You look like some sort of folkie!" :-)

DtG