I know this a thread about Lee Hays and I dont want to get off topic maybe I should have started a new thread and I dont even know if Frank Hamilton is still posting here in the forum anyways getting to my point of this post. We all got some great stories about Lee but what I want to know is what what Fred Hellerman like. I dont know the guy and from what I seen in a few videos is he seems like a great guy but also I noticed that he gave off the impression that he could be very difficult as well. Like for instance when Ronnie did the Holly Near song at the 1980 re-union also I heard a story about when they performed at the clear water festival I think it was and Lee said it was okay for the radio station to record it ( or something like that) and Fred was very against it and got very upset.