Rapparee: "The entire thing, both Wide Receiver and F&F, were stupid attempts made by people trying to make a name for themselves. Holder didn't even know about until it broke --"

That is absolute nonsense!! You obviously have never been in the service, or in ANY chain of command! When something goes wrong, the guy at the top is ultimately responsible!....AND there is plenty of evidence to show that he was 'informed', at least!....and that in itself, makes him incompetent!! ....just like V.P., George H. Bush, at the time wasn't responsible for Iran-Contra???????????????????? It was his operation!..but because a Democrat got caught, suddenly the rules change?? Pretty fucking hypocritical!

GfS