Ok, Bill now I get what you meant. But I gotta tell ya. I don't feel any safer with a criminal pointing a gun with 10 rounds in it vs a criminal pointing a gun with 15 rounds in it. That is the kind of laws we get and many anti gun people say yes good job ... when in reality it is a meaningless stupid law that fixes nothing. So for each of these they pass and claim victory, more criminals keep getting more and more illegal firearms because no real action is taken for whatever reason. It ain't about more laws, it is about applicable laws and that has been largely ignored. No one is happier then the criminal when they restrict lawful owners of anything. Criminals would be delighted to have a no gun at all law. Then they can run amuck like Mexico being the only ones who have them. Laws don't apply to them, ya gotta lock up their sources for getting them. So passing a couple hundred more useless rules does nothing unless their sources for weapons are dried up by serious and knowledgeable law makers, nothing will change and the NRA will continue to fight everything that comes down the pike, including the good ones. anyway done with the thread and rant