""By you saying you can't talk with the other side because they won't listen... well, that fucks that then, doesn't it? May as well just give up and let the criminals win.""

America has already done that Gnu.

Show me just one example of the NRA or any of its members discussing any suggested change to the status quo.

Plenty changes have been suggested, some more reasonable than others, which proves that one side is open to discussion.

Show me anybody on the pro gun side who can say that.

Don T.