First of all, thanks for the clip, GfinS... I finally got around to seeing it in its entirety... Very, very good stuff... Is it from a movie, 'er what???

Second, the point about Vietnam is that politics, as the guy in the clip all but said, has eclipsed policy... Nothing new... That's why I used the Kennedy example... Kennedy had the same shit facing him as Obama is seeing... My point was not about Lyndon Johnson... That's another story and a red herring to the point that I made about Vietnam...

B~