"The figures on the page you linked to say that the US murder rate is now half what it was in 1980. Which may not be any sort of evidence that gun control legislation did anything, but it does say that there isn't an uncontrolled epidemic of violence requiring everybody to tool up."

That's exactly right, Jack. The figures show that today the homicide rate is even lower than it was in 1960.   Very much to the disappointment, I am afraid, of both sides in the "gun control" debate.

And Bobert, what exactly is bogus about the homicide statistics published in the New York times in 1911? And do you even understand why I posted them?