Funny thing, from over here, when I think of basic American values, I think of the Declaration of Independence and the original Constitution, and I think how good it would be to have had them over here, in the country which exported the ideas behind them (there are some amendments I might not welcome). But when I read some modern ideas about bAvs, I don't want them much. (I think the Americans whose values I respect and which seem to be in the founding spirit don't go on about them being American, which makes the difference.)

Penny