I am sticking up for BOTH of them as the case may be. No man deserves the shit thrown in this thread and other threads without a fair trial. Even then, it will still be shit if posters do not read the trial transcript OR, sometrimes, even if THEY DO READ IT! I had a hard time on a recent thread taking abuse from posters who READ and could not acknowledge the fact that a dying man said, "THAT is the guy that shot me." Come fuckin on eh? A dying man IDs the guy that shot him and posters still say this guy is innocent?

And so it is. Bullshit from stem to stern. Who needs to carefully weigh the evidence or accept due process? Get the rope. Hang yourselves.