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Thread #146055 Message #3411721
Posted By: Jim Carroll
29-Sep-12 - 11:04 AM
Thread Name: BS: Racism in the UK media
Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
"Jim, you have put scores of questions to me." And you have failed to answer most of them and you have repeatedly ignored requests to do so. "Do you still?" I have always believed that evidence is necessary before any conclusion can be reached on such an important and potentially damaging subject. Given the total lack of research into these crimes and the minute number of people involved in them, an astounding accusation such as yours would have devastating consequences to any community accused of such deformities as you have suggested were it to be taken seriously (if you are going to claim that others have made these accusations on the scale you have please include quotes of them doing so). How can you possibly claim "a large over-representation of British Pakistanis" WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE CRIMES AND HAVE NOT BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING SO If it is a cultural trait, why are we not reading reports of these criminals from in every single Pakistani community all over the country? Why are Pakistanis recognised as being peaceful, law abiding people and their children found to be the highest achievers in our education system - they must have some horrendous psychological hangups if the can be these things at the same time as suppressing cultural urges that make them want to go out and find underage women to have sex with - a cultural volcano waiting to go off. Your obscene suggestion tars every single husband, father, grandfather, son, nephew...... with the suspicion of being a potential threat to underage girls (despite the insistence of all the people you have mentioned that it is dangerous to draw any racial or cultural conclusions from the pitiful handful of cases. I put up at some length other possible causes - you did not even grace those suggestions with acknowledgement. If the Pakistani community is so profoundly damaged by its culture, why are we Brits not equally damaged by the flaws of our own culture, as I outlined above - or are we all culturally implanted misogynists suppressing our urges, as you have described Pakistani Muslims to be? I find your "my opinion" and unspeakably evil smear on a comparatively harmless people - cowardly too. I hope McGrath is reading this - it answers your somewhat superficial response - perhaps some of us take racism a little more seriously than others. "I am not remotely interested in explanations." But you have given one - that "all male Pakistanis..." and you have finally more or less admitted it, but claimed it not to be racist. Jim Carroll