yep...there is a real difference....which is why I said 'torn' rather than disapprove...and why I am resorting more to 'no comment' rather than badgering and bitching.But I, like you, mousethief, have some education in the analysis of the argument structure...so I popped in a bit of stuff on Pascal...just in case anyone cared to indulge in a modicum of "knowing thyself"...*grin*