Point I was making was that the general moan or excuse thats made is we didnt go on strike because there wasnt a national ballot,the b.c,cms had no sense of belonging.Just for your info I was one of the Notts miners who was on strike through out 1984/5 got arrested etc.I also was at Mansfield when the supposed riot took place (not)I actually went to the trial of the so called rioters at the Old Shire Hall at Nottingham and witnessed the Jury openly laughing at the police when they gave evidence,I turned up one day and for some reason or other the trial had been adjorned and the police where posing for pictures in the court.(no doubt in rediness for thetr victory in the prosecution which fortunatly didnt happen.)