Stim said: "We are concerned here, at least according to BillD, with what are now called "Rampage Shootings", ..."

Where did you get that? I never defined the issue narrowly like that! That is only one concern! Making up your own data now?

In some urban areas, a large % of deaths are gang/drug related. So what? Many of those gang members are using guns for other purpose than to shoot each other. They use guns to rob stores and people on the street, even when the don't shoot them! Making guns harder to obtain for gangs is a good idea, don't you think? Many gangs GET guns thru straw purchasers who but guns at shows, then resell them. They prefer handguns with large clips for holdups and some of those AR-15s and similar for serious disputes among themselves. What average citizen needs either one?

Stim... you are arguing from what sounds like a standard premise of "we have a right to them, and we NEED them because 'they' have them." That position is full of holes, but the idea seems to be that if enough people repeat a mantra, it becomes true.