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Thread #149389   Message #3476026
Posted By: GUEST,Allan Conn
05-Feb-13 - 08:40 AM
Thread Name: King Richard and bosworth field
Subject: RE: King Richard and bosworth field
"But we shouldn't swallow the propaganda either."

I quite agree with that but of course I am looking at it from a Scottish viewpoint where all the propaganda differs from England. Often in popular thought here the Covenanter to Hanovarian side is demonised whilst the other side are outrageously romanticised. Due to the writings of Sir Walter Scott etc Bonnie Dundee remains Bonnie Dundee. Whereas throughout much of Scotland of the period he was known as Bluidy (Bloody) Clavers because of him being chief henchman to James during the Killing Times. He was the only major figure to come out from the parliament when William and Mary were declared monarchs openly declaring armed defiance. In truth though he had no choice. Now that his master was gone the attack dog was himself a marked man. Both James and Dundee would be in modern parlance guilty of crimes against humanity. That is not that I am defending the other side. When in power they were just as bad if not worse.

Also the Covenanting to Hanovarian side is often accused of siding up to the English and being unpatriotic. Doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Both sides used their English allies to secure their status. Charles I made several attempts to invade Scotland with English armies in attempts to force the Scots into accepting Anglicanism. Coming to the rescue after Dundee's troops were whipped by peasants and farmers at Drumclog, Charles II sent English troops under Monmouth's command north to help defeat a popular uprising in the Scottish south. As long as Charles and James were secure in England they could keep a hold of things in Scotland. The oppressed in Scotland then later became the oppressors under William and Mary. Both as bad as each other!