Once a set of concepts gets 'set' in someone's mind, however vaguely, the effort to convey the sense of it all to others in a coherent way requires, for want of a better phrase, 'linguistic creativity'... and people who basically agree that they are talking about 'something', then convince each other that they are agreeing on 'reality', when they are merely trading ambiguous, poetic language." "........... yes agree to a point.There will be some however who will see straight away what i mean because it is not new.What I think is that it is plain to see that all religions and traditions have this spiritual thing in common and they are all talking about the same thing/transformation.All the many from all traditions who have experienced this cant all be mad way too many and the wisdom gained is undeniable.I wont call it trip then dream,visions but it is more than that a lot of the time so struggle for a word.If you had the time to research all the different flavours i posted in the other post you would see they all are talking about the same process.That is a given really,whether you believe or i do is up to us but too much weight in the God/source camp for me to deny anymore.