Well, Guest (who are you?) I didn't want to overstate the case, not imply that he broke the law (though it's not inconceivable that he did, but let's not go there) it was the sheer long-standing dishonesty I was railing against in that instance, in contrast to the "bravery" his colleagues endowed him with.

Yes the NHS has a lot of questions to answer. There is a slight difference in that the problems are not necessarily all-pervading. They seem to be regional problems of culture arising from lousy management. That isn't to say that I want to defend or minimise in any way what goes on. There is still much fabulous work done by the NHS. Subjectively, I've endured a number of health issues in recent years and I have been dealt with unfailingly superbly by the NHS down yer in the Westcountry. I'd also point out that when things do go wrong in the NHS they are exposed and fully aired in public. You can't get away with the brand of constant hiding and denying that is, arguably, the most dismal aspect of the Catholic church at present.