Honestly - no, really honestly - I haven't seen any anti-Catholics in this thread. Tell yer summat, mate. I was born and bred and educated Catholic. Sufficient for me to know that (whether I like it or not, and, in my case, it's not) the Catholic church has a massive influence in this world and a massive number of (mostly poor and ignorant) adherents. No matter how much I wish it was not that way, it is that way. So there is no point being anti-Catholic, and I am not anti-Catholic. I want to see a damn sight better deal for the hundreds of millions of Catholics in this world, and the rock-solid certainty is that this latest old-man-in-a-frock, "elected" only by a hundred other old-men-in-frocks, is not going to provide that better deal.