jhn mackenzie would you like to back your statement up with stats, now here is a fact Joe Gormley leader of the num during the 1973 miners strike was reporting back to MI5 ON NUM UNION MEETINGS, as was ray buckton leader of ASLEF, SO MUCH FOR IT ALL BEING THE FAULT OF THE UNIONS ,TWOLEUNIONS HAD BEEN INFILTRATED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT AND WEREHAVING THEOR DISCUSSIONS RELAYED BACK TO MI5.so much for democracy and freedom of speech