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Thread #150785   Message #3515145
Posted By: GUEST
14-May-13 - 08:58 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Lord Lovel (Child #75)
Subject: RE: Origins: Lord Lovel (Child #75)
Lighter, I think I confused Child's one with Bronson's nine.

Waltz Notes 

See there, it's a good thing I have you to make my life miserable. But near the beginning of the other thread, before I realized that you're not supposed to post three pages of text, there is a lengthy excerpt from Cazden's book which goes into considerable detail on comic versions of Lord Lovel.

I've discovered that Child did have access to Percy's papers when he was writing his ballad book. He might have seen Walpole's version but it would not have mattered because he made his disapproval of such versions known.

"Lord Lovel' is peculiarly such a ballad as Orsino likes and praises: it is silly sooth, like the old age. Therefore a gross taste has taken pleasure in parodying it, and the same with 'Young Beichan.' But there are people in this world who are amused even with a burlesque of Othello."

I have been trying to pin down what the difference is between parody and burlesque. It's rather subtle. Both ridicule, however, a parody usually mocks something well known whereas a burlesque can stand on it's own. A burlesque has more emphasis on form or style. Parody puts more emphasis on content. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong because I know you love doing it. Anyway I can be of service.

Lord Lovel is probably more of a burlesque than a parody. Although burlesque is considered a form of parody. Thanks for pointing that out to me by jabbing me with a stick, going on all about how the words aren't very different or funny. Steve can obviously address it better. But there are indications of humor in text such as Walpole's "To end the true love we begun" (vs Percy's "To finish the loves we begun.") Also the refrain suggests a tavern sing along: Hey down, Hey down, Hey, hey dery down, Sounds like somebody's having a good time. And also "Buried 'em both in one grave." That 'em is very telling.