Thanks, everyone, for weighing in on this one -- all in all it's been a remarkably civil discussion. I think the exploration of the words themselves is interesting (the "liberal" vs. "Liberal" discussion started by McGrath). I also appreciate the thoughtful comments offered by troll and DougR, which help balance the discussion and offer opposing points of view to the generally liberal leanings of the Mudcat. This has been educational for me -- I honestly wanted to know how people felt about this, and despite my own liberal leanings I had no particular axe to grind in asking the question. It's nice to have discussions about these kinds of things without throwing stones at each other -- thanks again.