"Part 1. The Catholic Church is, to me, the same as the Catholic religion"
'Tisn't I'm afraid Dave - the church is the purveyor of the religion - which is a collection of beliefs - look it up and see which of us has "lost it".

Sigh. I am obviously suffering from non-understandable syndrome (NUS - Has that been used elsewhere? :-) )

Please read that again, Jim. The Catholic church is TO ME, etc. etc. To you it is something else. I am not going to get into semantics though. Instead, let's just say we speak a different language.

Out of interest though, does this mean you have actually understood what I was very awkwardly trying to say in point 2?

Cheers

DtG