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Thread #150071   Message #3522763
Posted By: Jack the Sailor
04-Jun-13 - 05:08 PM
Thread Name: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
Not sure what you are saying pete. I read it through once. I think I have the gist. Knowing what I know about your beliefs, you probably should not be agreeing with you.

TheSnail is doing a perfect job of pointing out what I see as the flaws in Mr Shaw's arguments vis a vis Evolution. Basically Mr. Shaw claims more than he can scientifically. But as part of his belief system his claims are justified. He has seen enough to believe that evolution is true. He is mixing his own beliefs with Scientific Truth. He does not seem realize that THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC truth.

I obviously cannot prove anything that you are asking Mr. Shaw to prove because there is no proof. On the other hand there is oerwhelming evidence.

If I ask you "Will the sun come up tomorrow?" Knowing what you know about the Sun and the Earth, you might be very comfortable in saying "Yes" but there is no scientific CERTAINTY that it will. But you would be an idiot to make plans based on the idea that it won't come up. It would be like buying a lottery ticket for a dollar that gave you a one in a billion (or trillion maybe) chance of getting any of your money back.

Likewise the "evolutionist's" view of the mechanics of creation has much better chance of a payoff than the one you propose.

The Evolutionist imagines the patterns and forces that Darwin described and looks for new patterns and morphologies which support or refute the theory, That has lead to better techniques for breeding, shorter paths to finding effective medicines and recently to the various genome projects which have led to various stem cell projects and genetic modified medicines and other crops.

Your theory basically says Man was created, immutable and unchanging in God's image and animals were created to serve and feed man.

I can't offer you proof, but based only upon that logical starting point; How would research have evolved to the point where we are now doing research on various animals, to successfully predict human outcomes have come about? Can you tell me how we could have come to transplant pig hearts into people knowing enough to know that they would work? Or should we just take Leviticus' word and not allow the "unclean" into our bodies? If we are not related to animals at all, why are some of the parts interchangeable? Why can we splice genes from animal to human and back?

Most current medical research stems from genetics, genetics as we know it, stems from Darwin. For science and education, the theory put forth by Mr. Shaw is far far far more useful than yours. I say "Thank God for Darwin." I humbly suggest to you that any Christian with some education in science and more importantly the history of science and discovery, might say the same.