Furthermore, Don: to resume our colloquy. My comment about the significance of the Islamic date being 14-- was not intended in any way flippantly. In both religious [Inquisition equivalent] & secular [public executions, punitive amputations, corporal punishments] terms, much of the Islamic world would appear to have developed to pretty well the exact point Europe had reached in the 15-16Cs. Another riposte to your drawing of my attention to our past as if I had missed that point.

It's our past. It's their present. One which we could do without coexisting in our midst, surely?

~M~