""Don, you can not know.
That is all emotion and prejudice for one subgroup against another.
Your verdict may well be correct, but you can not know.""

I can apply basic logic, pay heed to what is happening, and see which side has the more credible.

Pity you can't! But that's your problem.

What you call all emotion for one sub group (how you always manage to dehumanise those groups), is in fact a perfectly logical process.

Perhaps we could hear your reasons for disagreeing with my comment about Martin's right, feeling threatened, to invoke "Stand your ground".

Of course, somebody else would have to invoke it for him following his 9mm body piercing.

Don T.