"Is there a "like" button I can click for what Little Hawk said at 12:06 AM? That's almost exactly what I think."
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I have no opinion as to the main gravamen of his post, Joe, as this whole conversation is on topics way out of any terms of reference that have anything whatever to say to me.

But I must point out that LH's post which you so admire was grossly inaccurate in all its examples. Not one of those he named as 'heroes' to be revered for their embracing of death actually did 'die bravely for their ideals'. P Henry might have said "Give me liberty or give me death", but nobody did 'give him death': he went on to an active political career and died of cancer in his 60s, not to be in any way martyred. Joan of Arc was quite ready to retract, but the English made it impossible for her to do so by making it clear that there would be lifelong 'solitary' if she did anyhow. Gandhi went on dressing eccentrically and preaching to the end, and was suddenly assassinated by a loony; he didn't in any way choose, 'bravely' or otherwise, when or where or how to die.

~M~