Songwronger, firefighters reported that the fires were virtually out? And when did they report this?

When the buildings started to collapse, they were still are emitting huge clouds of smoke and flame, so the fires were still going strong. And people were jumping out of windows, preferring to die quickly by falling to the street below rather that die painfully in a burning building. A Godawful choice to have to make, but there it is!!

And I have already explained that it wasn't a matter of melting rivets or girders, it was that many rivets and girders broke on impact. Several tons of airliner hitting the sides of the buildings at high speed can—and did—wreak a tremendous amount of damage. Some girders began to buckle and sag, as I've already explained (if you'd ever learn how to read), then let go, starting the "pancaking" effect.

And no laws of physics need be rescinded when the top section of one of the buildings heeled over. The bottom section OF that top section moved inward because the structure failed first on one side, then the whole top section fell vertically. To have done otherwise would have defied the Law of Gravity.

This is plainly visible in the videos of that building's collapse.

And again, the smaller "explosions" (flashes) that began further down AS the buildings collapsed were transformers inside the buildings shorting out—which DO produce a small explosion and an electric flash. This I already explained, again if you had bothered to read it (break out your first grade "Dick and Jane" reader and bone up a bit). Large buildings have many transformers inside of them. Transformers of that same type are all over city neighborhoods, and if you look up, you can see them, looking a bit like garbage cans, attached near the tops of power poles. Sometimes one of these transformers shorts out with a flash and a loud "BANG!" during a thunderstorm, cutting power to a whole string of houses. The electrical needs of buildings the size of those at the World Trade Center are much like those of several neighborhoods, hence the transformers.

Basic!

No, the buildings at the World Trade Center collapsed as a result of being impacted by large aircraft flying into them. Sufficient cause in and of itself.

And there is matter of the plane hitting the Pentagon, and the fourth plane that a bunch of courageous passengers brought down by attacking the highjackers (this was reported by those receiving cell phone calls from those passengers), otherwise the Capitol Building or the White House might ALSO have fallen victim to a similar fate as the WTC.

But what the hell's the use of trying to explain these basic things to YOU, Songwronger, when you WANT to believe the conspiracy baloney?

Don Firth

P. S. And yes, SJL, I am familiar with the Project for the New American Century. And yes, they were influential in Bush's responding to an attack by al Qaeda under Osama bin Laden by blaming Saddam Hussein for it, despite the fact that Hussein and bin Laden were enemies (which, above, I likened to responding to Pearl Harbor by invading Brazil).

The PNAC was composed of Bush's puppet masters. BUT, the attack on the WTC was an al Qaeda operation. The fact that there was possibly some knowledge of the planned attack which was ignored makes the Bush administration culpable in the attacks, but they didn't DO it, they would be guilty of letting it happen.

'Scuse me, Commander Bzplxtpfng is telling me that our flying saucer is taking off to return to Arturus 12 and I have to get back on board.