"If the object of the exercise is to debate, influence and see different views, where in the name of all that is holy (Clapton generally speaking) is the need to end the debate with consensus?"


I agree, the object in these kind of discussions isn't consensus. But if it is to debate, influence, and see different views, let's do it in the way that is most effective.   And calling people names just shuts them down....or, in some cases (as Joe points out) gives them undeserved attention.

It's much easier to influence somebody if that somebody feels that in some areas you are one of 'them'....and that you have some understanding of---and yes, even compassion---where they are at.

I think it's a skill. And I guess not everybody on mudcat is interested in learning it. But.......I do think it's wise to know your own intention.   Is it verbal masturbation? Pissing people off? Letting the world know how amazing you are?   Convincing people that your right and decent take on things really is right and decent? To help others who are asking for help? Or to feel/demonstrate a 'connection' with others in the mudcat community?

And once you know what you want.....then you can learn to do it well.

Frankly, if the intention of most people who post ends up being totally different from mine (the last three), then I'll probably stop posting. And my guess is that others with that same intention will also end up with less energy to post.

Then who do we have left?