Sometimes these things are not matters for moral judgement. The question of abortion is an entirely practical one as far as I'm concerned, for example. The only reason we have an anti-abortion movement is that abortion has always existed. The so-called pro-lifers have turned, nefariously in my view, a medical and practical issue into a bogus moral matter, and they employ all the dishonest tactics to make it appear so, particularly with regard to their use of emotional language and the hectoring of vulnerable women. Do I have evidence for this? Why, yes: nothing the anti-abortion lobby does ever actually reduces abortion. In fact, quite often the anti-abortionists also rail against the very measures that would cut the numbers. Think of Mother Teresa, queen of all anti-abortionists, preaching that ignorance is a virtue and her Church teaching that contraception is wrong. The way to cut the numbers is glaringly obvious: education. I won't blather on again about my views on that. The same applies to Akenaton's disingenuous pleadings over his homophobic ranting about disease among gay people. It is a purely practical issue. The answer lies in education. It always does. But he ignored me when I made that case and he now tells me it was because I didn't know what I was talking about! Nothing as suspect as someone with an agenda...