Well, Bobert and McGrath, I could apologise for raising controversial issues in this thread that might appear not to belong. But I was simply trying to show where the bounds of respectability are in discussions. I used abortion and religious faith as examples where there should be clear demarcation between your views and the enforcement of your views. Having views that we can fearleesly espouse is one of the greatest achievements of the free world. What we're talking about here, though, is the manner in which you force those views on other people.