The reason I mentioned science in the context of "beginning of life" is that Steve seems to be rather inconsistent in his use of science as a benchmark.

If we carry on down the road of viewing life as merely dispensable, either through war or abortion, we really are heading for "hell in a handcart"

There are no more simple issues than there are good songs these days, hense we should be prepared to debate all views whether we find them "obnoxious" or "hypocritical"