well, a fairly interesting title for a thread - but not interesting enough to entice me to read more than the last 10 posts. you guys can bicker. i am a socialist and - i suppose- quite a militant atheist. you religious types are just annoying and silly. really, the church of wales has just approved the idea of women bishops - how fascinating. and do you christian types still believe that a disobedient child should be taken to the edge of the village and stoned to death? (deuteronomy) heaven? - a gold see-through hotel where the birds of the air feast on the eyeballs of princes and kings?(revelations) delightful. i am also a birdwatcher but that sounds horrible - still,if that is what you are living your lives for, who am i to mock?