Stringsinger, you could well be bashing your head against a brick wall here. Grishka, Hawk and (worst of all by a country mile) Wacko Jacko are either scared Christians or scared fence-sitters. Neither you, me, Musket nor Dawkins have anywhere near enough passion to take on the stupidity of Christianity and lose one second's sleep over it. Be a shrugger of the shoulders instead, and just remember that the average "atheist" sort of vaguely dislikes every religion. On the other hand, every Christian, Hindu, Muslim or whatever hates and fears with vehemence every other religion bar their own (they'll protest, of course, but if what I say is untrue there wouldn't be separate religions, would there?) Every big religion has its own version of "we are the one true faith". Even Musket and myself, the new Messiahs, preach The New Truth, that truth wot trumps all older truths, innit!