Joe. I have no issue with anyone over their faith. None whatsoever. Your commentaries on these threads mentioning your own interpretation are at any level refreshingly honest. Ok. I fail to see how I personally could handle the dichotomy of conformity and personal take, hence my pick and choose comments.

However, increasingly on these threads there has been a "because I am a Christian" or "Christians get a raw deal. " you yourself have been known to question them.

If what constitutes being a Christian is personal and somewhat variable, my point is that judgement from a "Christian" angle is meaningless. Some, not you, need to stop using their faith as a temporal tool. You need, in my humble opinion, to stop criticising other interpretations of Christianity as being embarrassing because it's their word too.

Grishka. I know nothing really of humanist ceremonies. I know very little of masonic ceremonies, boy scout ceremonies or many religious ceremonies. The humanist movement is, I believe, saying you you can enjoy a nice garden without seeing fairies at the bottom of it. As to ceremonies, it seems like the organisations calling themselves atheist organisations to me. If we didn't have religion, someone would invent it.

Not every religion can be right. I just think there is one more preaching bollocks than most believers do. Perhaps if I understood why you asked me?