Ed.. Ashamed of you. Don't burst the general BS bubble. We will have to think twice before firing off if we take your observation on board, and that would never do.

I reckon it is this thread, (33% chance of being right) where Michael threatened to invoke the odd philosopher. Of the list he gave, I for one would vote for Andy Capp. I have studied his work, as transcribed to his faithful Boswell, Reg Smythe.

In trying to educate the local vicar, he, as I recall, had the following advice;

"One half of the world are trying to have fun and the other half are trying to stop them."

"There is so much good in the worst of us and so much bad in the best of us, it's difficult to see who should be preaching to the rest of us."

"As you ask, yes. I am ashamed that Flo goes out scrubbing floors to fund my time in the pub, but to be honest, she's too dim to do anything else."

What with him and Brian Clough, Hartlepool has produced more than its fair share of philosophers....... (I could add my old mate Kev Rafferty, but I shan't....)