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Thread #152785   Message #3578999
Posted By: Jim Carroll
25-Nov-13 - 10:57 AM
Thread Name: BS: Armistice Day (debate)
Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (debate)
"Jim, we know why men volunteered because we have their letters and diaries."
You have not produced any here, nor have you produced a single reference why the majority joined nor the feelings of the survivors who returned.
You have been given a fully documented and referenced list of 14 reasons why men enlisted, the moral blackmail of the white feather, the pretended romance of army life (dealt with in full in several accounts) the glamour of the uniform, unemployment, being forced to enlist by employers...... all fully documented and historically accepted facts.
From the outset you were aware that these soldiers diaries were extremely as far as the general public are concerned - the oral account you have had described you referred to as "lies" - so much for the veracity of the accounts from veterans as far as you are concerned, unless they fit in with your bigoted jingoistic agenda of course.
None of your so-called historians have made any claim whatever on why the majority, or any particular portion of soldiers enlisted - the nearest you have come to any sort of conclusion is "I do not accept that those reasons were significant for many people" - doesn't hack it as evidence, just bigoted agenda chasing.
Debunking genuine historians as 'revisionist' (a term you have fallen foul of before) because they don't toe your flag-waving line doesn't do great deal for your case either.
You want to show that the majority enlisted to defend a genocidal Imperial power (another fact you have tiptoed around) show us your evidence (before you say it - no you most certainly haven't).
You want us to believe your 'historians' back up your anachronistic claims - show us their evidence (before you say it - no you most certainly haven't).
Otherwise are the same extremist froth they have always been
(Have I kept this brief enough for you?)
Jim Carroll