Your disingenuous appeal to the mods will, hopefully, fall on deaf ears, as ever. You see, you appeal dishonestly for reasonable discussion, yet you are homophobic, a liar about your alleged socialism (you're nothing of the kind), a liar about our wanting to shut down threads (the last thing I would ever angle for, especially in threads in which you dig ever deeper holes for yourself and never seem to know when to stop digging), and, worst of all, you claim abuse against yourself when you yourself are incredibly abusive to a significant sector of the population. In terms of dealing with gay people, you would conceivably have been an excellent henchman in the T***d R***h. You need to reflect on the fact that a good number of "socialists" in working-class areas were rather easily persuaded (by the argument that resorted to the evil of the alien "other") to vote BNP. The broken circle of political allegiance has a very small gap between working-class socialism and fascism (the East-enders in 1936 saw it, but you haven't learned anything from history, have you?), and you seem to not to have noticed how easy it is to complete that circle. You are a sad case. Radical all right, but socialist? Do me a bloody favour, will you?