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Thread #152856   Message #3579895
Posted By: GUEST,Grishka
29-Nov-13 - 08:12 AM
Thread Name: BS: The Pope's Survey
Subject: RE: BS: The Pope's Survey
Oh, if you say something is absolutely wrong, do try to explain why it is either wrong or why you disagree, there's a good chap or chappess.
Since my monicker is a male first name, I can be safely addressed using the male form only.

Musket, when I try to explain anything, your tell me your eyes become glazed, so I mentioned an example. The message is that widespread cults are not invented by those in power, but are expressions of deeply felt desires in the community. Control comes second, exerted either by those who are in military power or by clever elites who carefully listen to the existing ideas. Active dictatorship can come third, when the power is firmly established, but even then, most dictators prefer tweaking existing convictions to inventing new ones. The real pharaoh Akenaton gave a perfect example that even absolutist power cannot arbitrarily create cults that outlast it.

Henry VIII was in power alright (- wisely surfing on existing ideas -), but Luther was not. Neither were most other religious innovators; some of them eventually gained power by mandate of their voluntary followers.

Bottom line: religion does not come from power, but can be seized by powerful persons and groups.