shimrod -" ..count as something from nothing?"
not far off actually.
"by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" Hebrews 11 v 3.
so yes, something from nothing - via someone, namely God.
so you are quite happy to go along with the consensus! it is just as well the pioneers of science that didn't do that, or we would still think that rats arose from rubbish by spontaneous generation. now where have I heard something like that elsewhere.......
stu also admitted to not having an answer but seems to be assuming others have [ and of course I am only arguing from a very limited understanding]
seems to me that most scientists believe in evolutionism because most scientists believe in evolution!

ah musket, master of evading the point by going off topic.
not to mention a dose of denial, and mockery.
many of my quotes are by ,to illustrate the argument I make ,that the general theory of evolution is woefully lacking evidence.
whether that constitutes cut an paste don't much bother me, as i'm more concerned with Someone infinitely greater.

actually stu, I was referring not only to first life, but first anything.
and even if amino acids were around, they don't just happen to come together in the right combination, in luckily the right conditions to turn to proteins, and on and on....
someone compared it to millions of blind people simultaneously solving a rubic cube puzzle at the same time [quote from memory]
like I say- a faith position.
the rest of your post is only a rant, not worthy of your more reasoned responses.

shimrod - could this be a turnaround on your part?
not calling something illogical, because you don't believe in it!