So you agree, Mr. T.Roll, that Shocha in the closet is a different story altogether.

Where you disagree you have not given convincing arguments. If Attila was conservative would he have pushed ahead for change? Aluric(sp?), a later hun, claimed to be saving Rome when he sacked the town.

Using a harness in self-interest, you may have failed the true conservative test rather than determined a trait of true conservativism. Wouldn't true conservatives of the dead and rotten British Empire dismiss the harness, mutter something like, 'Well it's over the edge then pippery poo,' and take the fall?

Where do you find your leaders, Mr. T. Roll?