I do have that excellent book, Shimrod. And you're right: pete doesn't understand his own stuff, let alone anything remotely to do with science. Still, he comes on here to either be patronised politely by Bill or to be vilified for his professed stupidity, which, in my book, is by far the better way to deal with these confounded eejits. Better that they think that their nonsense falleth here on stony ground, eh? Odd, in a way, that we atheists have to do all the work. Wouldn't you think that any self-respecting Christian here would be mortally embarrassed by pete's multifarious idiocies?